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Wednesday, August 09, 2006

"Would you like a refill?"

I've been pondering the possibility of Pumpkinpie II. Pondering because, while I always thought I wanted just one, I wasn't sure enough to do anything permanent to ensure that. Pondering because I think that if I do want a second helping of cute baby pie, I need to make up my mind in the next year. Pondering because I want to have thought about it enough by then that I can feel confident in my decision, whichever side I might fall on. But will I ever really be sure? I am a person of lists, who strives for certainties, but this is one of those grey areas, where whichever way I go, I may never be certain what the other path might have held, and which I would have preferred. And so I am pondering for all I'm worth.

Being, as I say, a person of lists and deliberations, I often deal with stress or confusion by sorting. So I am sorting through some of my thinking here, some of the pros and cons, as I see them. These are the things that I am worried/curious/unsure/waffling about.

Most of the arguments against having just one simply don't stand for me. I was an "only" until I was nearly twelve, so I know well that one child can entertain themselves, is not by definition lonely, and is not necessarily spoiled. Indeed, I think there are certain advantages to a single child. I had advantages that other kids, kids in families of multiple children, didn't have. My parents took me with them everywhere - to the opera, to concerts, to dinner in restaurants, to parties, on road trips, to live on building sites, whatever. I was, it must be said, tempermentally suited to hanging with adults, but certainly with two, this would not be done. I love that I was able to sample all of this early on. I'd love to be able to do that with Pumpkinpie, too. It's just not so easy with two - not only is there more gear and more expense and more general brouhaha, but two together is more unpredictable and more prone to inappropriate behaviour for this sort of venture. Travel, too, seems infinitely more frustrating with two than with one - do I ever really want to hear myself shouting to two squabbling children to "cut it out back there!" while they whine about who was touching/teasing/calling names?

Indeed, while a #2 may in fact provide welcome and ready company for Pumpkinpie (an argument for), I am not sure I am ready or able to deal with the kind of bickering and nattering that often seems to accompany siblings everywhere they go. Being so far apart from my sister, we never had that kind of relationship, and I'm not sure I could take it. Would my head simply explode from the whining? Would I be seized with a burning desire to clonk their heads together that I could quell only by sitting on my hands or sending them to their respective rooms like two boxers between rounds? Do I really need that headache?

And speaking of things I don't really need - more stretch marks? Um, not high on my christmas wish list. Another three months of nausea, followed by feeling like a beached whale and retaining water like the Hoover Dam at the tail end of my pregnancy? Not a get-back-in-the-saddle experience for me, really. Saggier ta-tas? While I was pleased and extremely relieved to see mine make a comeback after Pumpkinpie's weaning, I'm not sure if they could do it a second time. They're not Cher, for goodness' sake. Another delivery? Feh. I could pass. It's true, while some women revel in pregnancy and love having the birth experience, I am not one of them. No, I am the not-so-earthy one telling myself not to sneer or slap her smug face. I was not into it. (It was all just so surreal and sci-fi-esque, I couldn't get there.)

And then once pregnancy was miraculously over? Babyhood. Babyhood is hard. I don't miss the baby year. I was happy to have it behind me, with weaning and sleeping through the night and solid food and some teeth and walking and a more kidlike appearance, and all those those other good things in place by the time her first birthday rolled around. I am not one of those for whom a baby brings on a happy haze of lovey-dovey hormonal desires for another. I am not eager to re-enter the baby zone of feeding attempts and sleepless nights. Not at all.

On the flip side? I looooove toddlers. This, even with its occasional moments of total frustration, I will miss. I love the advent of language, the curiosity, the transparency of her thoughts as she connects the dots. I love the size of her - just right for cuddling, she still fits in my arms, yet is strong and substantial. I love the sweetness and caring that she radiates, the way she will fling her arms about my neck. I love that she can play alone, but likes to play with me. It's a fine balance, and while I'm sure that I will enjoy her next years too, this is a time that I simply love.

Another thing I love? I love that she's a girl. I know it's totally un-PC to say so, but little boys are a different entity, and I am just not that into them. I know moms say you love your little boys equally and for different things. I just don't feel like I relate so much. So what if I had a boy? What the hell would I do with a boy? What would Pumpkinpie do with a boy? Little brothers are a notorious pain in the ass, not the sister-to-become-friend I envision in any thinking I do about a sibling for her. Because really, if I were to have another, I would want it to be a relationship that would be good for her. Let's face it, it's all about her right now - I'm not one who wants another kid for another kid's sake, and if it's not going to turn into a nice plus for her, why bother? I'm not worried about that other kid's needs - they don't and might not even exist!

And because it's all about Pumpkinpie, I worry too, about how I could possibly cope if something ever happened to her. Are we, as Misterpie put it in one discussion, "putting all out eggs in one basket?" I do worry about nebulous and specific scenarios, the things that we hope never happen but do, the nightmares that some unfortunate parents have to face. I worry about these things in a very vague sense, as parents do. But when we started talking about this I also wondered - would having another child really help? Is there any way I would be any less heartbroken, or would it just mean that a third person would be damaged by some tragedy should it (god forbid) occur? Wouldn't that make it irresponsible to have a new family member with this idea in mind? Misterpie thinks maybe it would give a parent a reason to go on, to be there for that other child. I just don't know. I hope I never have occasion to. I'm not sure which side I fall on with this point.

I do worry, too, about that second child. Not just about its sex, but also about all the other things that could be wrong. What if it's colicky? A difficult kid by way of special challenge or simply a personality that makes me bonkers? I'm not sure I'd have the patience, and I wouldn't want to play favourites if it didn't turn out to be as easy and cheery and sweet as Pumpkinpie. I just have a hard time believing we could get so lucky again, and I even find her tough at times. I shudder to think of what the opposite could bring, and it makes me hesitate to push my luck. Why not quit while we're ahead?

On a related note, I love the relationship we have with her right now. I'm hesitant to change it, throw another personality with its own demands and needs and quirks into the mix. I worry not about whether I could love another as much as I love her, but about dividing my time, lessening my ability to have concentrated moments in which to listen and teach, play and build memories, and create the kind of close and lasting bond that I hope will help us through the times of tougher adjustment (um, teenagerhood, anyone - eek!).

While I am reluctant about that, though, I do think that the four-year gap I would be leaving between them would help to mediate some of that. Pumpkinpie would be moving out of the toddler stage, better able to understand and communicate her feelings and the needs and rules around a new addition. She has so far demonstrated a really very caring nature, sharing with us, the cats, and other kids, making sure everyone is okay. I think she would do well, and maybe even really enjoy the role of a big sister. She would by then also be potty trained, into her new room, and in a bed already, and she will still be in the same daycare for many years to come, so the upheaval would be kept to one area with that timing, which I think also helps in any major transition for kids. I like the timing for me, as well. I think I would be ready by then, able to handle it. I think it would work with Misterpie's new career, that he'd be established enough to have less prep at home to do, and could help more. I also wouldn't want to wait that much longer, both for the age gap and for the increased likelihood of problems with conception, pregnancy, and the child's health. I think next year would be the right time to make our move (er, moves? Heh heh.) if we're going to do this thing. And so am I pondering hard.

I am these days, for I know not what reason, feeling slightly more at ease with the idea of another, less quick to push it aside, but I'm not quite on board with it yet either. And so I am pondering. I hope by next summer, I will have come to a comfortable place in my mind, something that feels like a decision. A move from Pondering to Placid.

***Audience participation segment***
I am also soliciting not an opinion but an insight into your thought process about having a v. 2.0 - what swayed you for or against it? How certain were you? What, ultimately, made the decision?

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25 Comments:

Blogger mo-wo said...

Recklessness made our decsion; I do not regret it. I shared a lot of your concerns. The don't mess with a good kid thing was a major fear -- we also have a lot of we're not 'up to it' baggage because it seems too much like growing up or something.

Now I can say to her.. that is your brother and he will love you for his whole life and it is wonderful.

And, I'll add another perspective from a collegue of ours who -- like me -- even questioned having 1. "When I thought about not having any seriously I thought: I know I might regret not doing it but know I won't regret trying to do it." Last month she reported she's feeling same about the one/two.

ps.. with #1 you think about a lot of things done wrong with 2 you think about how you can really make the best of everyday. Crunchy Carpets pointed this out to me in a recent post comment and it's true.

August 09, 2006  
Anonymous Jenny said...

I'm so right there with you on oall of this. At this point I'm thinking that I'm just not able to make the decision so I'll probably wait too long and have my body make the decision for me. I can always adopt a toddler girl later on, right?

August 09, 2006  
Blogger mo-wo said...

I also got some good related commentary on this stuff when I posted this and this

August 09, 2006  
Anonymous Kvetch said...

For me it wasn't a decision if, it was only "when." I always knew I wanted more children. I always thought I'd have three or four and I have two. Karma is cool - what the heck would do with four kids NOW? I think that sometimes you know what you want, and sometimes you don't. That's ok, follow your heart. And if it doesn't make a decision, ask the Internet again later!

August 09, 2006  
Blogger metro mama said...

What a thought-provoking post. You've echoed many of my sentiments and brought up a couple I haven't dared voice out loud (eggs in one basket particularly).

As for the audience participation...sorry, I'm no help. I'm still torn.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger MrsWndr said...

My sister sent me this post because I have been "pondering" this exact thing for over a year. I want to let you know that by the end of the year you may be no closer to a decision. I will seriously change my mind 10 times through out the day. My daughter just turned 5, so she'll be all into school and her friends when a 2nd came long, but I'm so far past the pg and baby stage that it's hard to think of going back. For me, the Hubby doesn't want antoher one...but I still go back and forth. I totally envy those people that are so sure about this decision.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger bubandpie said...

I never felt I had a choice about having two children: neither my sister nor hubby's is likely to have any children, so Bub wouldn't have any cousins, and I felt he needed at least some same-generation relatives. My mother was an only child, and for her the hard part was not childhood but adulthood - it was hard having no sibling beside her when her parents died, but she does have cousins she's close to, which helped enormously.

You've made a lot of good points in this exhaustive post (I'm not sure there's any angle you've left unexamined!). What I would add is that if you can survive Baby #1, you can survive anything. A second baby definitely makes your job harder than it is with just a toddler or preschooler, but it's NOWHERE near as hard as having that first baby. In my experience, anyway.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger petite gourmand said...

wow...you basically described everything I have been thinking about lately..
(including the bit about having another girl)
I'm giving myself until next summer to decide as well...
Seriously, it's as if you read my mind and wrote about every single reason I've been struggling with this decision too.
I actually think it's much tougher to decide on having a second child than it is to just have one.
I'm giving myself until next summer to decide as well...
great post and thank-you...
I'm not alone in this feeling of trepidation.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger petite gourmand said...

I repeat..next summer decision time...sheesh..
I think I've been spending far too much time in the sun..
oops.

August 09, 2006  
Anonymous funkybaby said...

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by #2, if you choose to go that route. My #2 is a sweet, loving, sensitive person; overshadowed at times by #1's gregarious personality, but I cannot imagine my life any other way! And since you and Misterpie are both pretty even tempered people, I would think your kids will reflect a lot of those personality traits.

Ultimately what made my decision about baby #2? Carelessness and an extremely frisky spouse! lol

#3 is our most planned child, and funny enough, the most dificult personality of the bunch, a very high strung person. And #4 was a complete accident - definitely the one I was most ambivalent about to start with, but I don't regret her for a minute. Four children is a very full house, but they grow so quickly, at times I regret that #4 is my last, and almost 3 years old already.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger mad_hatter said...

Me, I'm ancient so my decision has basically been made for me. I am from a family of 6. As kids we fought until our (single) mom went crazy (literally). I've said time and again that if guns were legal in Canada, one of us would be dead. Now that we're adults my siblings and I couldn't be closer.

I do think that I am denying my daughter something as vital as oxygen by denying her a sibling but, as I say, I am ancient which means the decision is pretty much out of my hands.

BTW, I agree with you about boys and girls. I know that when I think of a sibling for my daughter I only think in terms of sisters. I also agree with you about pregnancy. Blech. All further freaky doppelganger evidence--which I will never mention again due to intense freakishness.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger GIRL'S GONE CHILD said...

Little boys are amazing. I'm soooo the opposite. I don't think I would know what to do with a little girl (I know, I know, I AM one.) I would LOVE to have another boy sometime soon. (I'm planning on abandoning the pill in Jan.) Seriously BOYS are fabulous. No offense to only children but, well... okay, I'm not going to say anything. Have another and have a boy (not that you can help it, Ha!) because boys are just, well... have you seen mine? He's my absolute hero.

August 09, 2006  
Blogger Ruth Dynamite said...

I've always believed that the best gift you can give a child is a sibling - but that's just me. Yes, another child complicates your life and makes some things harder. Is it impossible? No. Are the joys magnified? Yes. Is it thrilling to watch your children play with eachother and shriek with laughter? Yes. The best.

Trust your gut, and your decision will be right for you. Good luck!

August 10, 2006  
Blogger sunshine scribe said...

I was grateful for your post but for an entirely different reason.

I have one who I love fiercely and I have wanted a second for a long long time. But he was a bit of a miracle baby and so far another doesn't look like it is in the cards for us. I might not have the luxury to choose.

That is why I found comfort in some of the things you had to say about only children. My son isn't spoiled or lonely. And he does enjoy so many of the benefits you enjoyed before your sister was born. And babies ARE hard.

I really, really believe that you'll just know when you are ready (for a first, second or third). And you should base your decision on just what your heart is telling and not on what anyone expects.

And ... about boys. I am with GGC ... I looooove being a mama to a boy. I never thought I would but he is the best. Really.

Ponder away...I look forward to hearing what you decide. Either way Pumpkinpie is one lucky little girl.

August 10, 2006  
Anonymous mamatulip said...

Here are my thoughts, Kittenpie:

I was an only child too (to my mother -- I have two half-brothers whoare a lot younger than I am) so I totally know where you're coming from on that point. My pregnancy with Oliver, once I passed the first four months, was amazing...I enjoyed it more than I ever thought I would. I was shocked, really, at how much I enjoyed it.

It was hard at first with two being two years apart, but I see the bond they're forming and it's all worth it. The way they interact is amazing. The way Julia looks out for him touches me deeply; the way his face lights up when he sees her brings tears to my eyes. Yeah, there's moments where they bug each other and moments where I have to take toys away because they're not sharing, but honestly, their relationship is so, so cool. I love that they have each other.

I gotta tell you, I was freaked right out when we found out Oliver was a boy. A BOY? I don't know boys! I know girls, I thought to myself. You're right, boy sare totally different, but man, are they fun. Seriously.

What made the decision for me was the fact that I have a very small family. I want my kids to have a big family. I want that for myself. That's what did it for me.

August 10, 2006  
Blogger Becky said...

Ugh... I think you just voiced my inner-dialogue on the subject of "should we or shouldn't we?" And man... the "all our eggs in one basket" is really the major factor for having more at the moment. "Shouldn't we give him a sibling?" is next in importance, but at this point (with at least 4 years between #1 and #2) it's justifiable to wait longer (5 years? 10?).

It's so hard to balance a very young career with becoming a mommy to an infant again! (sigh)

Maybe recklessness will prevail for us, too.

August 10, 2006  
Blogger Mrs. Chicky said...

Okay, my head is a scary, dark place. Are you sure you really want to be in it? Because you are. I've got all the same concerns as you and though at the moment I'm not planning on having a second child I never count anything out. I know my husband would love to have a second kid but since I was the one who had to put up with 9 months of sickness and four months of colic (Chicky didn't want anyone else but me) I'm allowed to be a little bit 'selfish' on this topic.

And for the record I don't think of it as being selfish. I think of possibly only having one child as self-preservation.

August 10, 2006  
Anonymous Izzy said...

I was set on one for a long time but one day I realized the clock was ticking for me and that I'd better be sure. And that's when I realized that I really did want another child. So we had our son, who I had hoped would be another girl, but now that he's here, I cannot imagine having anyone but him!

August 11, 2006  
Blogger Her Bad Mother said...

Well, as I wrote about this recently, I'll just redirect to that statement: Not in The Pink

I'll add this, though: I loved having a sibling. We bickered and fought and clashed, but at the end of the day, she was always my ally and my friend, and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. And I want Emilia to have something of that.

If it doesn't work out, fine - we'll all still be happy. But this would be a wonderful something more...

August 11, 2006  
Blogger Mary-LUE said...

Hi... first time commenter, here via BubandPie...

My husband and I had oops baby one and oops baby two. We had a miscarriage a couple of years in to our marriage. I never thought about getting pregnant or when to have children before that. After that? I was baby hungry. My husband wasn't ready and we moved to another state, etc. One night after I had been gone for a week we got a little lazy and BAM! I was pregnant with number one. About 18 months in, I "logic'd" my way into trying for number two. Let's get the hard part over, they'll be friends, etc. Then life took a new course, I started a new job and we decided to wait.

About seven years after my first was born, a friend and I were having a conversation about whether I would ever have another baby. I told her that every year at my well woman exam, my doctor asked me two questions: 1. Are you thinking about having another child? (NO.); and 2. Are you ready to do something permanent about it? (NO.) As we sat talking, I told her that I was 34 and didn't really want to get pregnant after this age. My plan: at the next doctor's appointment, I was going to tell him YES, I am ready to do something permanent. Lo and behold, I was already pregnant and didn't know it yet!

Now I have a one son, 14 and one daughter, 6. They are 7 years and 49 weeks apart. Exactly. We had been a family of three for so long that it was quite a change. Six years in, I think we are finally adjusting!

So, there you have it, the oops method of child bearing decisions.

August 11, 2006  
Blogger something blue said...

I blamed my whacked out hormones but just weeks after my first daughter was born, I was mapping out dates to conceive a second.

Now I'm more scared about the idea of a third child wondering if we could really manage. I've always desired a large family. I do find that it is possible to do the outings like restaurants, movies, trips, and the like with two children. It takes lots of will and gusto!

August 14, 2006  
Blogger Kristen said...

When we got pregnant with our second, I was in exactly the same "pondering" boat you're in now. So that made our decision for us, obviously.

All of the hardships and concerns you pointed out are valid, I can tell you from experience. But at the same time, if it happened unexpectedly for you like it did for us, I can promise you wouldn't "regret" it - it will all work out the way it's supposed to. Good luck with the pondering - I used to drive myself nuts with it.

August 14, 2006  
Anonymous Nancy said...

I always felt like I would have at least 2 kids, if fate destined it to be so. I have a younger brother and wanted to raise siblings. The only thing we had to think about was the timing -- we ended up getting pregnant right away when we started trying for number 2, and our girls are 2 3/4 years apart.

It's funny to read the commenters' observations on having children of various sexes. We didn't find out what we were having either time, until the doctor made the announcement -- but I was convinced (incorrectly) that I was having a boy the first time, and was shocked to have had a girl. By the second one, I was secretly hoping for a girl, thinking (as Mama Tulip did), "I know girls!" Sure enough, we have our two girls.

It's funny what they say -- when you have one child, you can never imagine loving a second one the way you do the first. But your heart expands infinitely. It's a wonderful thing.

August 14, 2006  
Blogger penelopeto said...

hmm, interesting point you make about 'all the eggs in one basket.'
in our debate over if/when/should we/shouldn't we/what about my saggy tits/sleepless nights, etc., that part never came up. what came up for us was, what if something happens *to us*. that's one child to deal with it. one child to figure it out. noone else to lean on or share the burden with or get support from. even if that reality is hopefully years and years away, that is ultimately the straw that broke the breeders back. we'll be having #2. sometime.

August 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh wow, this was from last summer, and you've probably made your decision by now. I'm 40, my husband's 50, and we have a delightful almost-4 year old, and I'm in the same situation as you! I've been agonizing for 2 years. I can't decide. I'm an only child, came from an not-incredibly happy family, but, as an only, I don't have that sense of the whole sibling thing. I have a fantasy that it would be a wonderful thing for my daughter, and I suspect that after the first year, for my husband and me too. But that first year might kill us! We have no relatives to help. We do have a great babysitter, but other than that, it's just him and me, tag team, and we get stressed out easily!! I can't, at this point, make the "leap of faith" that having a second would be great. However, I have a feeling that if I wasn't so paranoid, I could take advantage of a beautiful life-opportunity.

help!!

--Tanya

June 28, 2007  

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